ZF Powerline for 2025 RAM HD Diesel

One of my local dealers has a slew of brand new 2023 3500 Cummins Tradesmans 4x4 for sale still.

They are still in the lot since I bought my truck early last year.

 

Nothing wrong with a tradesman . I have a regular cab one that I ordered. Fits in the garage when the campers off. Hauls the slide in great. 3500 ho I bought it for the drive train engine and suspension 1 ton . Rides good not all the bells and whistles but everything I need . $61.5 k not $108 k big difference in money

 

1500's have the '25 option.

The dealers should know the "expected" window for the '25, they are always behind is my opinion.

One idea is if it was the same it might be out already on the site.

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Ram announced the 2025 1500 updates months ago. So far Ram hasn’t announced anything official for the 2025 HD lineup.

 

Confirmed by Stellantis that they are only going to offer the High Output in the 2025 RAM Heavy Duty 2500/3500:

https://moparinsiders.com/2025-ram-heavy-duty-to-switch-to-single-cummins-option/

With that being said, unless they throw the AISIN in the 2500, which they could, I have a feeling the ZF Powerline is likely going to be in the 2025.

 

Glad to see they will still offer the 6.4 Hemi. I had one in my '19 Power Wagon and we have it in our 2500 currently. Really like the engine with the 8 spd. transmission.

 

From the linked article "Ram plans to simplify its Heavy Duty truck offerings with a single Cummins diesel option, which will be made possible by the upcoming ZF Powerline 8-speed automatic transmission."

 

Ahh, I misread it. So it looks like the ZF is actually true. Interesting.

 

My 15 AISIN just went up in value.

 

Okay, I will bite. Just so I don't insult your '15, lets just debate the '15 HO dually in general v/s say, 19+ through what is rumored on the '25.

How did the '15's (10 years old) just go up in value? Or is this just you and your '15, not the general masses.

I know in the past, you have voiced your cons of the 8spd v/s the 6 spd Aisin. Is that "all" of your basis for value?

Inquiring minds want to know...

 

I've driven the trucks with the AISIN, and it's just an OK transmission. However a better mousetrap can be built. Hopefully the ZF gives a better stance for what a HO Cummins can output.

I absolutely love the 8 speed ZF in my EcoD. The shifts are extremely smart, especially when towing, and the torque management is all there.

I for one am looking forward to the new ZF and a higher, HO engine.

More power, the better.

 

FWIW,.. I had a 23' 1500 Laramie with the E torque and Hemi engine last week for a rental truck in Miami.. My first impression of the 8spd is it behaves alot like the 10spd in my van.. it'll go like a bat out of ___ but it takes a bit to figure it out.. seems like its looking for the right gear or simply waiting to see if you're serious about wanting to GO..then it GOES... but drops many gears.. It'll be cruising at 50 in 8th.. then drop to 7th.. then 3rd.. then....... Also mileage around town was less that my 20 HO.. but freeway seemed better.

 

To quote the great Stan Gozzi (sag2) when asked about the AISIN “They don’t break”.

 

You should drive a 2020-2023 EcoD with the ZF as it would give a better representation of how the ZF Powerline would likely act with the Cummins. Versus a high revving gasser.

The ZF loves the low torque of the diesel. Unloaded most of the time it will either be in 7th or 8th going up small inclines doing 55+. Doesn't hunt all that often and it's an absolute pleasure to drive.

When towing, it simulates a 6 speed, but I think better.

Hard to explain, you just need to drive a newer diesel 1500 to see what I'm referring to.

 

This one is even better as it can skip gears, preventing unnecessary shifts on the way up or down..
Much more refined from everything I heard. Locked from gear one, locked shifts and so on.

 

I want it even more... quit talking about it. LOL

This fall/winter, I want to take one out for a good long test drive.

Not going to buy one for a minimum a year to year and a half... and of course, carefully read these forums, and watch for TDR write ups.

Here's TFL's video:

 

Agreed, especially if it includes the 2500. Rumors are, it will.

It will also be interesting if there is a max tow and if so, what will it include over a standard dually. If the engine output is the same and they all get the 8spd, what will determine a max tow. In '20, the max tow included a heavier dually, rear axle. I wonder if there will still be two axles, a standard duty and a max tow? I would also guess, that the SRW's will all get the 12"

HP/TQ, what will it be? My guess is, 450/1150. I don't think they will tackle Ford, but 450 will sneak past GM's 445. Then there is still the question of the 1050 tq of the existing 8spd Powerline. Since that includes a 57k gvw, they can probably pencil whip the numbers with pickup truck ratings.

 

Yeah, a single engine calibration would be a plus and make it available on all PU platforms.

There has been a lot of confusion on what the Max Tow package is or isn't. It's an options package and doesn't change anything in the running gear, aside from mandating 4.10's.

The Max Tow package includes 30,000-lb fifth-wheel hitch, auto-leveling rear air suspension, Fifth-Wheel/Gooseneck Prep Group, cargo-view camera, trailer brake controller, daytime running lamps and DOT Safety Kit (3500 only; requires 6.7L High Output Cummins® diesel engine with 6-speed AISIN® transmission, 4.10:1
axle ratio, dual rear wheels)

The axle is the same for HO trucks with and without the max tow package, both 3.73 and 4.10. You can order a HO DRW 4.10 without max tow and you have the same ratings as a truck with max tow.

There are still 2 axles for DRW's thou, but it's tied to SO vs HO instead of the max tow package.

The SO DRW's (as well as 2500 & 3500 SRW) use the 11.5" R&P rear axle with 358mm brakes, 3.73 or 4.10.
The HO DRW's use the 12.0" R&P with 365mm brakes, 3.73 or 4.10.
The HO SRW's use the 12.0" R&P with 358mm brakes.

I suspect you're pretty close on power estimates.

Even the Ford 10 speed has the same input torque rating as the ZF despite the 6.7 Powerstroke ratings, so I'm going to guess torque management will be heavily used.